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		<title>By: Haunt of Jackals: CSFF Blog Tour &#124; Rachel Starr Thomson</title>
		<link>http://www.rachelstarrthomson.com/2009/06/fantasy-in-the-real-world-vanish-3/comment-page-1/#comment-17120</link>
		<dc:creator>Haunt of Jackals: CSFF Blog Tour &#124; Rachel Starr Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it brings all kinds of speculative supernatural elements to bear on the real world. (Read &#8220;Fantasy in the Real World&#8221; for how I felt about this when Tom Pawlik did it in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it brings all kinds of speculative supernatural elements to bear on the real world. (Read &#8220;Fantasy in the Real World&#8221; for how I felt about this when Tom Pawlik did it in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: June CSFF Tour Wrap &#171; A Christian Worldview of Fiction</title>
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		<dc:creator>June CSFF Tour Wrap &#171; A Christian Worldview of Fiction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ?  Nissa ? ? ?  John W. Otte ? ? ?  Steve Rice ? ? ?  Chawna Schroeder ? ? ?  Rachel Starr Thomson ? ? ?  Steve Trower ? ? ?  Fred [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rachel and Cat!</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel, I wasn&#039;t going to comment on this post because I haven&#039;t read the book and I don&#039;t read fantasy - I guess you could say that I&#039;m one of those Christians who &quot;object to fantasy as a genre&quot;! *Smile!* But I just read the comments and I think I&#039;ll comment after all, on your last comment, if that&#039;s okay! You say:

&quot;... it’s the “fantasies” set in the real world that pose the greater danger of deceiving — like those fantasies found in so much modern literature that teach us things like hope is an illusion, adultery is fulfilling, everything is meaningless, etc.&quot;

That sentence really reached out and grabbed my attention. You&#039;re so right - there&#039;s a LOT of &quot;fantasies&quot; out there (in modern AND not-so-modern literature) that tell us all sorts of lies which masquerade as &quot;the truth.&quot; I can understand that in a fantasy novel, those lies are easier to sift and ignore, because everything in the book is &quot;make believe.&quot; In a contemporary novel, on the other hand, everything in the book is &quot;real,&quot; so the lies are harder to detect - many readers, I guess, absorb them with the rest of the &quot;reality.&quot; I think this is one reason why Christian writers have to be SO careful - because everything they write about God and people and life, SOMEONE mayb absorb as &quot;the truth.&quot; We&#039;re supposed to be bearers of the truth, not deceivers. How wonderful it would be if authors of comtemporary novels poured as much hope into their &quot;realities&quot; as fantasy writers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel, I wasn&#8217;t going to comment on this post because I haven&#8217;t read the book and I don&#8217;t read fantasy &#8211; I guess you could say that I&#8217;m one of those Christians who &#8220;object to fantasy as a genre&#8221;! *Smile!* But I just read the comments and I think I&#8217;ll comment after all, on your last comment, if that&#8217;s okay! You say:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; it’s the “fantasies” set in the real world that pose the greater danger of deceiving — like those fantasies found in so much modern literature that teach us things like hope is an illusion, adultery is fulfilling, everything is meaningless, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sentence really reached out and grabbed my attention. You&#8217;re so right &#8211; there&#8217;s a LOT of &#8220;fantasies&#8221; out there (in modern AND not-so-modern literature) that tell us all sorts of lies which masquerade as &#8220;the truth.&#8221; I can understand that in a fantasy novel, those lies are easier to sift and ignore, because everything in the book is &#8220;make believe.&#8221; In a contemporary novel, on the other hand, everything in the book is &#8220;real,&#8221; so the lies are harder to detect &#8211; many readers, I guess, absorb them with the rest of the &#8220;reality.&#8221; I think this is one reason why Christian writers have to be SO careful &#8211; because everything they write about God and people and life, SOMEONE mayb absorb as &#8220;the truth.&#8221; We&#8217;re supposed to be bearers of the truth, not deceivers. How wonderful it would be if authors of comtemporary novels poured as much hope into their &#8220;realities&#8221; as fantasy writers!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat,

If you like thrillers, likely you WOULD enjoy it anyway. It&#039;s well done. You make an excellent point about the &quot;wild fantasies&quot; out there about the nature of God. 

I&#039;ve often found it ironic that some Christians object to fantasy as a genre when in my opinion, it&#039;s the &quot;fantasies&quot; set in the real world that pose the greater danger of deceiving -- like those fantasies found in so much modern literature that teach us things like hope is an illusion, adultery is fulfilling, everything is meaningless, etc. Fantasy tends to do a better job of telling the truth about the world, and the obviously imaginary nature of it makes it easier (I think) for readers to sift it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat,</p>
<p>If you like thrillers, likely you WOULD enjoy it anyway. It&#8217;s well done. You make an excellent point about the &#8220;wild fantasies&#8221; out there about the nature of God. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often found it ironic that some Christians object to fantasy as a genre when in my opinion, it&#8217;s the &#8220;fantasies&#8221; set in the real world that pose the greater danger of deceiving &#8212; like those fantasies found in so much modern literature that teach us things like hope is an illusion, adultery is fulfilling, everything is meaningless, etc. Fantasy tends to do a better job of telling the truth about the world, and the obviously imaginary nature of it makes it easier (I think) for readers to sift it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathi-Lyn Dyck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathi-Lyn Dyck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I feel that it doesn&#039;t matter whether a book is &quot;real-world&quot; or &quot;fantasy,&quot; because you&#039;re right, it *is* all fantasy. For me, the &quot;rules&quot; of God don&#039;t change when writing fantasy, because they&#039;re rooted in God&#039;s character.

Part of my reason for feeling that way is that there are a lot of wild fantasies out there in the real world, even within the mainstream envelope, about the nature of God. It seems to be the way the battle with fad-culture goes--Christianity faces it too. So when I write, I&#039;m always questioning, &quot;Is this the way God treats people? Is this how God feels about people? About good and evil?&quot;

I want the expression of God to be the anchor for the fantastical metaphor, rather than just using the human experience as the connecting point. I haven&#039;t read Vanish, and spoilers don&#039;t bother me, :~) but from what you&#039;re saying I think I would have some trouble engaging with the Interworld plot line for the reasons you describe. Not to say I wouldn&#039;t enjoy the book anyway.

@Elisabeth, don&#039;t worry, you&#039;ll find your &quot;theological&quot; ground, cheese not included, as you go. :~) My mom-in-law told me a vital piece of common sense as a new Christian: &quot;When people make things complicated, just take it back to the cross. And if something doesn&#039;t go back to the cross, it probably isn&#039;t Christian.&quot; That&#039;s all the qualification you need to let your faith sing. Enjoy the journey!

Regards,
Cat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I feel that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether a book is &#8220;real-world&#8221; or &#8220;fantasy,&#8221; because you&#8217;re right, it *is* all fantasy. For me, the &#8220;rules&#8221; of God don&#8217;t change when writing fantasy, because they&#8217;re rooted in God&#8217;s character.</p>
<p>Part of my reason for feeling that way is that there are a lot of wild fantasies out there in the real world, even within the mainstream envelope, about the nature of God. It seems to be the way the battle with fad-culture goes&#8211;Christianity faces it too. So when I write, I&#8217;m always questioning, &#8220;Is this the way God treats people? Is this how God feels about people? About good and evil?&#8221;</p>
<p>I want the expression of God to be the anchor for the fantastical metaphor, rather than just using the human experience as the connecting point. I haven&#8217;t read Vanish, and spoilers don&#8217;t bother me, :~) but from what you&#8217;re saying I think I would have some trouble engaging with the Interworld plot line for the reasons you describe. Not to say I wouldn&#8217;t enjoy the book anyway.</p>
<p>@Elisabeth, don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;ll find your &#8220;theological&#8221; ground, cheese not included, as you go. :~) My mom-in-law told me a vital piece of common sense as a new Christian: &#8220;When people make things complicated, just take it back to the cross. And if something doesn&#8217;t go back to the cross, it probably isn&#8217;t Christian.&#8221; That&#8217;s all the qualification you need to let your faith sing. Enjoy the journey!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Cat</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pawlik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pawlik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel,

As this is my first blog-tour, I&#039;ve been thoroughly enjoying reading the many posts. I especially enjoy the depth and thought you put into your review.

You make an interesting point regarding Christians going through the Interworld. In fact their experience is quite different. One of the reasons I wanted to write the sequel was to give a more detailed description of the place. &quot;Vanish&quot; shows it strictly from the non-Christian perspective, where the only hope a lost soul has is to be revived.

Many thanks,

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel,</p>
<p>As this is my first blog-tour, I&#8217;ve been thoroughly enjoying reading the many posts. I especially enjoy the depth and thought you put into your review.</p>
<p>You make an interesting point regarding Christians going through the Interworld. In fact their experience is quite different. One of the reasons I wanted to write the sequel was to give a more detailed description of the place. &#8220;Vanish&#8221; shows it strictly from the non-Christian perspective, where the only hope a lost soul has is to be revived.</p>
<p>Many thanks,</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca LuElla Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca LuElla Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Rachel. If you read mine on themes in &lt;i&gt;Vanish&lt;/i&gt;, you&#039;ll see that I changed my mind over night about the theological issues. I do agree with you about God and the real world, but I don&#039;t thing the Interworld is part of the real world. It&#039;s as much fantasy as my Efrathah.

That being said, I think God in a real-world setting would have to be as He is in our real world. I experience Him through His word, as I read it, as it is preached, as I talk of it with others. And I experience Him through prayer and the &quot;still small voice&quot; of His Holy Spirit nudging me toward truth, convicting me of sin, prompting me to pray. I also experience Him through the lives of believers as they show God&#039;s love and grace and mercy. As they choose righteousness and flee temptation and give God praise and live with integrity.

It&#039;s a harder kind of story, I think, to show God in these circumspect ways. I choose fantasy where I can have Him show up in all kinds of surprising ways. ;-)

Becky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Rachel. If you read mine on themes in <i>Vanish</i>, you&#8217;ll see that I changed my mind over night about the theological issues. I do agree with you about God and the real world, but I don&#8217;t thing the Interworld is part of the real world. It&#8217;s as much fantasy as my Efrathah.</p>
<p>That being said, I think God in a real-world setting would have to be as He is in our real world. I experience Him through His word, as I read it, as it is preached, as I talk of it with others. And I experience Him through prayer and the &#8220;still small voice&#8221; of His Holy Spirit nudging me toward truth, convicting me of sin, prompting me to pray. I also experience Him through the lives of believers as they show God&#8217;s love and grace and mercy. As they choose righteousness and flee temptation and give God praise and live with integrity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a harder kind of story, I think, to show God in these circumspect ways. I choose fantasy where I can have Him show up in all kinds of surprising ways. <img src='http://www.rachelstarrthomson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Becky</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m willing to give Pawlik some slack on the &quot;dying Christian in Interworld&quot; question, since he never addresses it and as you say, Paradise is a possibility. The problem for me is the near hopelessness: for those stuck in the Interworld, the only hope is to be revived; it apparently isn&#039;t possible to turn to God there. (See my third post for more.)

As for God in fiction, when I have an overt Christ figure, I&#039;m writing fantasy. (See my novella &quot;Galatea&quot; for a case in point.) Otherwise, my characters simply have a sense for what God is telling them to do. So I generally agree with the limit you mention on God in a non-fantasy setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m willing to give Pawlik some slack on the &#8220;dying Christian in Interworld&#8221; question, since he never addresses it and as you say, Paradise is a possibility. The problem for me is the near hopelessness: for those stuck in the Interworld, the only hope is to be revived; it apparently isn&#8217;t possible to turn to God there. (See my third post for more.)</p>
<p>As for God in fiction, when I have an overt Christ figure, I&#8217;m writing fantasy. (See my novella &#8220;Galatea&#8221; for a case in point.) Otherwise, my characters simply have a sense for what God is telling them to do. So I generally agree with the limit you mention on God in a non-fantasy setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Advent, I&#039;m sorry to say, is still a bunch of loose ideas and familiar characters batting about in my head. I&#039;ll make an announcement here when I finally start it.</description>
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